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    Default I don't really care what you call yourself

    As the title says.

    But have you read this about Noobs. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Noob

    Newbie I can nearly understand the use of. Why not call yourself a Learner, so much nicer.
    I'm leaving now to go find myself....if I arrive before I get back, please ask me to wait!

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    Interesting & informative about the people that post thread questions when they consider themselves in this manor. This makes me wonder whether they know that they're insulting themselves in front of the whole world? It is almost as bad as stating the following, "Hi I'm an Idiot, can you tell me everything about this hobby and break it down in small word bites!" Rather unbelievable from an experienced ham operator stand point. JMHO

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    I've noticed a change in society whereby many expect everything handing to them on a plate, with minimal to no effort on their part.

    I do think that most of the posters on this forum are eager to learn and get operating, but it is best done in stages. Many are asking questions when they are not always knowledgable enough to understand the answer.

    That said, tolerance is a virtue, and we should do all we can to encourage people into our hobby.

    Perhaps people new to ham radio will refer to themselves "new to the hobby", rather than "noobs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmh View Post
    I've noticed a change in society whereby many expect everything handing to them on a plate, with minimal to no effort on their part.
    I believe the word used in this case is "Entitlements" and I must admit that I hate the very thought of the entitlement generation! I've worked hard for everything I have and see too many able bodied, unemployed, lazy jerks with the latest ipad, tablet, telephone, etc gained through my taxes. ... sigh ...
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    In the UK, education is a mess, and instead of pointing at the higher end - Degrees and Masters etc, the new thrust in in providing these 'entitlement' folk a qualification that really means they were breathing. We added to Level 2 (The UK expectation for school leavers at 16), Level 1 - which means nobody should leave school with no qualification, despite Level 1 really meaning they were present. There is talk about there being one at foundation level, which is even lower. Many 16+ colleges are now dumping their Higher Education courses in favour of the low level ones, which generate more funding!

    Noob - is apparently a derogatory descriptor, which could potentially be an infringement on their Human Right. In the UK we don;t use the word 'student' any longer because it also has a derogatory context - student being a word often used to point somebody out as inferior, or not quite 100%. The current term is 'learner' which is more acceptable to older returners to education - apparently referring to somebody in say their forties as a student is a negative - learner is nicer???

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    Noob is a put down. Newbie means new at something. I had no problems calling myself a student when I went to university in my late 30s and early 40s.

    The willingness to be called a student should be one of the criteria for entrance to any schooling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N4AAB View Post
    Noob is a put down. Newbie means new at something.
    I agree on that one.

    "Noob" is internet/gaming slang and most amateur radio associations, such as the ARRL, RSGB and so on, try to promote a code of conduct of sorts, which includes how you present yourself to others. So, to me at least, putting some though into your first few posts, such as saying "Hi, I'm getting ready to go on the air soon, but have a problem/need advice..." sort of thing is much better than "Hi, I'm noob, can someone tell me how to do this..." In most cases, these forums and such can be seen by the world (or at least by the CIA, NSA and GCHQ...), and they will judge us on the how we write, ask question and give help.

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    Apparently, in the offices at college - students aren;t even learners, they're 'units of funding'.

    Seriously though, all areas have jargon that splits the users. In my own entertainment based area, dancers are twirlies. Have been for years and years, however some younger ones often get very annoyed by being referred to like this. The actors are 'turns', the crew can get quite waspy being referred to as techies - as technician is a bit too dignified. Musicians are musos - if they get talked to or about at all. Our sound people are noise boys, the video guys become vidiots and the lighting people just get called LX, sparks, or more commonly, twats. Extremely UN-PC comments abound, and outsiders can be shocked. We have huge numbers of gay folk in the industry, and nobody gets offended by 'labels' - most of which make me laugh. Hearing a groan from a dressing room, revealed a Ginger, Jewish technical guy - the initiator of huge numbers of practical jokes, tied up on the floor, with a strip of bacon gaffer taped to his forehead. Can you imagine the reception this would have got in the real world (ours is all pretence). When I released him, he had a huge grin, and detailed how while tied up he was plotting his revenge against the rest of them. This is what I am supposedly in charge of.

    Labels are labels, and as long as they're meant well - it doesn't matter. It's OK to be offended personally, you cannot be offended on behalf of somebody else - that's where it gets ridiculous.

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    Found the manual

    Twirly Operating Instructions
    •INTRODUCTION
    Thank you for working with the latest version of TWIRLY operating system. New
    information has been made available in the past few weeks as to how the
    TWIRLY actually operates. Please read on to gain a detailed insight into the
    functions and features of your TWIRLY or TWIRLYS.
    •OVERVIEW
    Your TWIRLY is shipped from college or dance school with a default set of
    System Parameters. These Parameters cannot be changed in any way, but with
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    Parameters are added, it becomes impossible to reverse the process. When
    using more than one TWIRLY, particular attention should be paid to the
    Parameters each TWIRLY is installed with. Failure to follow instructions is likely
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    The useful lifespan of your TWIRLY is limited. Burnout from excessive Bouncing
    or the sudden desire to be a childrens television presenter will render your
    TWIRLY useless within 5 years. TWIRLYS that do not suffer from the above
    disorders find themselves hunting for a powerful and preferably rich producer or
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    victim into marriage or giving them a job doing absolutely nothing at all.
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    TWIRLYS will automatically pair themselves with a buddy TWIRLY. The major
    bonus to this is that you will only have to install certain parameters into each
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    your TWIRLY will spend less time with you and you will begin to lose control of
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    Twirly Operating Instructions
    Page 2
    •DEFAULT OPERATING SYSTEM
    All TWIRLYS have a base operating system that cannot be changed. There is
    no point in trying to change these parameters as you will become easily
    frustrated and waste your valuable time.
    •Basic Parameters
    i Standing at “10 to 2” when in standby mode.
    ii Counting (not including arithmetic). Most TWIRLYS have the
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    cause of this is a complete misunderstanding of their 8-Bit
    Programming. Some early models were fitted with 16-Bit
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    iii The ability to stand and stretch in the most inappropriate
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    TWIRLY in action.
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    night out, the ability to stand up and argue that they only had a
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    Twirly Operating Instructions
    Page 3
    •Additional software
    Any everyday function of a normal earth-dwelling humanoid can be programmed
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    1 Self Dressing. Saves hours waiting for a dresser to arrive.
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    •Suggested Installations (cont.)
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    Never expect too much from your TWIRLY. No matter what you
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    1 Nine.
    2 Can I buy you a drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulears View Post
    Apparently, in the offices at college - students aren;t even learners, they're 'units of funding'.

    Seriously though, all areas have jargon that splits the users. In my own entertainment based area, dancers are twirlies. Have been for years and years, however some younger ones often get very annoyed by being referred to like this. The actors are 'turns', the crew can get quite waspy being referred to as techies - as technician is a bit too dignified. Musicians are musos - if they get talked to or about at all. Our sound people are noise boys, the video guys become vidiots and the lighting people just get called LX, sparks, or more commonly, twats. Extremely UN-PC comments abound, and outsiders can be shocked. We have huge numbers of gay folk in the industry, and nobody gets offended by 'labels' - most of which make me laugh. Hearing a groan from a dressing room, revealed a Ginger, Jewish technical guy - the initiator of huge numbers of practical jokes, tied up on the floor, with a strip of bacon gaffer taped to his forehead. Can you imagine the reception this would have got in the real world (ours is all pretence). When I released him, he had a huge grin, and detailed how while tied up he was plotting his revenge against the rest of them. This is what I am supposedly in charge of.

    Labels are labels, and as long as they're meant well - it doesn't matter. It's OK to be offended personally, you cannot be offended on behalf of somebody else - that's where it gets ridiculous.
    I was in theatrical design for about a year. I don't recognize those labels... except for techs. Everyone pretty much else said 'dancers can't act !'... I pointed out they aren't actors, they are dancers, and got laughed at. Which I thought was rather silly of them. Or that singers can't dance. I pointed out 'why would you expect them to ?'

    Each part of the department was in its own little world.
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    It doesn't really matter what we call ourselves because we know ourselves more than anyone else. Same goes with labeling, no one has the right to label others without considering their comfort on it. The important thing is that we do what we want and we enjoy it. This is an interesting discussion.

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    Looking back - it's also clear territory has a huge impact on words in common use, as does age, gender and socio-economic grouping (UK readers call this one 'class').

    Once you then split that into hobby or work groupings it goes astray really badly. However - offence being taken is not an indication it was meant, so while we might cringe at some terms, that's just our opinion on a word - used wrongly, almost any term can be turned into an insult. The CB, Ham, novice, restricted, newbie, student stuff. "He is just a student" or "He is a brilliant student" - same word, two different results.

    Of course - the real answer is that we just hate some words for no logical reason at all - I'm cool with that really.

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